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Old Aug 14, 2007, 02:28 AM // 02:28   #1021
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There you go making accusations again. The only trades I make in-game are the things I have sold on GURU auctions. That's it. I play the game just like you. I don't care about making virtual money, and if you search around for other posts by me, you'll know that was the case.

However, I respect those who do find it fun to make money, or dabble with rare collectibles. If they wish to flash e-peen, or simply strive for the hard-to-get, that affects me not. So why bitch about it? That's my point. Why are you so concerned about Herb or anyone else like him that loves to collect? How does it affect you? It is not I, or anyone else that is upset by your words, it is you who is upset enough to post said words.

So yeah, this is entirely off-topic, and so is my post. We should both now go away. Deal?
LOL wow. as in the wise words of ZORGY, OPEN YOUR EYES.

all he is doing is trolling. best thing to do is not to feed him by stepping away from the cage and ignoring.
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Old Aug 14, 2007, 02:31 AM // 02:31   #1022
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I'm a bit confused on how people are being banned for buying duped items.

Are they being banned for buying stacks? That i could understand, but are people being banned for buying 1 duped ambrace? What if a duper advertised they had one ambrace to sell for regular price and it geniunely looked like a real one? Unless of course they're only banning people buying stacks. Then it's not an issue.
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Old Aug 14, 2007, 02:40 AM // 02:40   #1023
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I'm a bit confused on how people are being banned for buying duped items.

Are they being banned for buying stacks? That i could understand, but are people being banned for buying 1 duped ambrace? What if a duper advertised they had one ambrace to sell for regular price and it geniunely looked like a real one? Unless of course they're only banning people buying stacks. Then it's not an issue.
Innocent players that were banned were part of an immediate intervention that was necessary to hault the on-going catastraphe. Gaile has said they're going back in retrospect to reinstate all the players that have their accounts wrongfully banned. Any players that feel their account was banned as such, will have them back if they notify the customer service.
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Old Aug 14, 2007, 02:45 AM // 02:45   #1024
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Would it be possible to create a sticky somewhere for what we know (versus rumors) about this situation?
Quick and dirty summary of the story so far:

1. There was a dupe. It functioned via an exploit using multiple computers and the reconnect feature. ANet has patched and disabled reconnect for the time being as a result.

2. The dupe was discovered generally yesterday when people started offering silly numbers (1000+) of Armbraces for Asian minis.

3. It is unknown precisely how widespread the problem is. We know that the marketplace is flooded with ersatz Armbraces of Truth. Suspicions last month that a dupe existed (as people started posting to sell/trade larger quantities of armbraces than usual) were dismissed; duping may (or may not) have been going on quietly for a while now.

4. Gaile Gray indicated earlier that support was almost certain that no rollback would be needed.

5. The ban hammer started falling early this morning. Based on the experiences of those that confirmed the dupe to Gaile Gray via testing, it appears that the ban algorithm was targeted at people using reconnect to dupe (actions consistent with duping would have been pretty obvious in the logs). Gaile's most recent post (in another thread) indicates that they also nailed people with large stacks of armbraces, and that the actual number of people duplicating items was small.

Anything else remains speculation at this point.

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Old Aug 14, 2007, 02:58 AM // 02:58   #1025
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People that have disconnected in the past week or even month are being banned, for "exploiting" this dupe, but many probably had internet problems. I'm lucky I've been avoiding guild wars the past week or so, as I've been playing Battlefield 2. ^^.
Not true. They're clearly banning on some other criteria than disconnects.
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Old Aug 14, 2007, 03:00 AM // 03:00   #1026
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hmm read 50+ pages or Martin's last post..

Thx Mate.
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Old Aug 14, 2007, 03:02 AM // 03:02   #1027
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Here my 2 cents:

well personally think that shouldn't exactly permanently ban the people, i know its unfair but it wasn't in the EULA i don't think. They SHOULD be banned until GW 2 comes out i personally think. Its a good punishment because by then not many people will be using the guild wars servers and there won't be a point to transfer the items to GW 2.

I also think that they should take out the armbrace dealer completely from the game after they ban all of the people. There will be a big increase in value to the armbraces since they won't be sold anymore, increasing the value for the people who truely earned them.

But thats just my personal opinion on how to deal with the dupers and this situation. Please don't flame me or anything
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Old Aug 14, 2007, 03:12 AM // 03:12   #1028
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What "mass banning" are you describing? The numbers being mentioned in this thread are in the single digits. There has been no mass ban. Period.

Here is what we've done:
  • We've found the people who duplicated items. Their numbers were really quite small. We banned them.
  • We found the people to whom the duplicated items were given in large quantities. Their numbers were somewhat larger, but again, relatively few. We banned them.
  • We are examining records to see how far this extends. We may be banning more in the coming days, but we will most likely choose to not ban more than we will choose to ban. The decision is ours and will be based on a lot of factors, principal being whether it's reasonable to assume that the player knew he/she was getting ill-gotten goods.
We are quite sure that those players getting stacks and stacks of the most valuable item in the game realized that this largesse was not the result of the kind and generous spirit of a guild mate or friend. We're quite sure that those getting offers of 5 gazillion armbraces for item sales knew that something was wrong, and yet they made the sale anyway. It's obvious that certain players knew about the exploit, or suspected there was one. It's pretty easy to establish who such players were.

Did you think we'd never notice? Of course we noticed! Our recordkeeping is exceptionally detailed. You can't move a piece of gold from one bag to another without us knowing it. And as a result, those at the center of abusing this exploit were banned. That is as it should be.

The issue of someone selling a single ambrace to another innocent person, later on, is more complicated. The item was duped, but the buyer may not have been -- probably was not -- aware that he/she was buying a duped item. So, it's a matter of degree, intention, and knowledge. Do we ban the seller, with multiple stacks of 250 armbraces in inventory (or who handed off stacks to friends and guildies)? Yes! Do we ban the player who makes the one-off purchase -- an armbrace here, a couple of duped ectos there? It's not likely that we will.

Duplicating items is disallowed by the User Agreement under which each player is permitted to play Guild Wars. Getting stacks and stacks of free items -- or receiving ridiculous numbers of items for a sale -- must have pinged peoples' radars that "Hey, this can't be legit!" Just as receiving stolen property is a crime in the real world, this sort of act is disallowed in our game, and results in a ban.

Those who made an innocent purchase have very little to worry about. The accounts of those who were banned were examined with care and consideration, using extensive research to assure that the appropriate action was taken. It is highly unlikely that these players can successfully appeal their banning.

And if you're aware of someone who was involved, I invite you to report that player, for the good of the game.
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Old Aug 14, 2007, 03:17 AM // 03:17   #1029
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As this thread here has become quite long, I am closing it down. The discussion including comments from Gaile Gray continues here.
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